Fred Bailey has discovered the underlying nataural mechanism that regulates Sunspot production and Climate Change, there is a connection between them but Sunspots have nothing to do with Climate Change, Google solarchords and you will see for yourself
This is old new's people knew this in the 1950's. U.B 1955. 41.3.8 Your own sun still carries a diminishing legacy of the mighty upswellings of its younger days, but the period has lengthened from the former three and one-half day pulsations to the present eleven and one-half year sunspot cycles. Scientists,
@whssoccermon I've asked the question, if there is no God, where did all the matter/energy come from? And you, like all the "scientifically" minded have written what you could to deflect from this question. You started off with a personal attack ("you're not as wise as you think you are") and then, to top it off, you don't even know what the question is.
As the psychiatrist said to his patient, "you don't have an inferiority complex, you're just inferior". Your belief system is inferior. Ciao
@KH45430 LOL i literally have no clue what the question is. i think it's the origination point? Of course there is a Creator who started everything. wanna know another secret? The God is You. You possess the God consciousness within your self, and you created yourself... Honestly man, your words are full of condescending intent and clearly come from your ego. I'm done talkin with you, you'll have to do this on your own from now on buddy
@whssoccermon Dear Mon, I was hoping for a little more insight from somebody who's been reincarnated and has traveled higher dimensions. What you think I am saying is not what I am saying. You're projecting. Those are your insecurities and foibles. That's why you're an expert.
It would make me feel good inside if you could make my point for me, whether you agree with it or not, and then add a third answer to the question I've asked.
And I have asked it succinctly many times.
@KH45430 you are saying "THEY NEED TO LEARN TO ACCEPT THAT I'M RIGHT AND THAT I HAVE THE ULTIMATE AND FINAL WORD" but don't you see what you're accusing them of you are actually doing yourself? Maybe the issue doesn't lie within them... maybe the issue lies within your self... you can't control what others think or say, so why get angry about it? Does it make you feel good inside to do so?
@KH45430 I believe Truth needs the lie, which is the only definitive way to know that the truth is the truth... it's the nature of duality of earth... heaven needs a hell... its balance. I'm not "trying to convert" you... i really dont care what you do or think... i just felt like commenting because i feel that you understand a higher truth but are slightly... i dunno.. angry? or like, intense about it... which can make it hard for others to understand where you are coming from
@whssoccermon Science is simply the handmaiden to True Religion whose purpose is to reveal how the Creator constructed this Reality. But many scientists want their opinions to be taken as "The Ultimate and Final Word" concerning Reality and they are the High Priests making these pronouncements to the great Unlearned and Unwashed.
They need to learn to reach "Harmonious Agreement" with the ones they insist on attacking with their near-zero knowledge of True Reality.
@whssoccermon. . My only point. Whether one takes the singularity (Big Bang) with its infinitely high temperatures and pressures ( a supernatural event if it had actually happened) or just the existence of Matter/Energy, it all requires a Supernatural Happening. The "scientific method" is a very strict discipline that is used to silence critics that" they apply this method to all they believe", and yet, it is not being applied to any science that deals with Origins.
@whssoccermon You have the wrong guy for trying to convert to "harmonious agreement". We might "need" "left and right" and "up and down". But Light does not need darkness. Darkness is the absence of Light. Truth doesn't need "the lie". A good lie is mainly true. And my posts have not been trying to pin down what the actual "Beginning" was like, but to "help" thick headed Dunderheads (Science worshippers) that by their own discipline they worship, they cannot make some definitive statements.
@KH45430 Yet to my mind, since the beginning can be debated infinitely, as we have no way of experiencing the beginning... maybe focusing your energy on the present moment experience could yield more fulfilling results? Remember, all must be respected if we want to reach a harmonious agreement on any issue. It's kind of like arguing which is better, or more right- up or down? left or right? The secret is... they both need to exist for their to be balance within the cosmos...
@KH45430 ahh... I was having trouble understanding your syntax at first, but I believe I understand now... of course, it should be remembered that "not all learning can reside in one school"... and, although i prefer to use the word information, rather than knowledge, i believe all information can be relevant, as both sides are attempting to identify the same conflict of "beginning"... I think the issue at hand are those who believe their side is more right than the other side..
@whssoccermon Both of the options offered are a Reality without God. With God, you have the Uncreated and Eternal creating Everything from Nothing. My other point is that Knowledge is infinite. Scientific knowledge is limited. If you divide any amount, no matter how huge that amount by infinity, it essentially is Zero.
So with scientific knowledge very close to zero compared to All Knowledge, they should keep their mouths shut about so many things that would require All Knowledge to speak about
@whssoccermon The discussion is an attempt to get through to those who think that the science they now have is "all there is". Reality as we know it needs a miracle to get started. Either its all Uncreated and Eternal or came into existence from Nothing. Either idea opens the door to unlimited possibilities that those who worship the Ideal of Science do not want to deal with.
If you have been "reincarnated" many times & have a "higher" consciousness, why can't you understand my Point?
@KH45430 anyways i dont even get the point you are making. you are saying that either everything always existed or everything came from nothing.. very good, but what does that even accomplish? or how does that make you feel? Maybe you should look into expanding consciousness, and realize that you can expand your own dimensions of being, and that all the answers lie within the self... all the Truth you could ever want to find...
@KH45430 your words might appear wise to you but seem foolish by those who have reincarnated from higher dimensions many times before. Things can come from higher dimensions into physical 3D reality. DO you really think what you can experience with your 5 senses is all that exists? All matter is just energy vibrating... in the same way you don't know what higher vibrations like radio waves are until you have a radio to decipher it, same goes for the higher dimensions (which do exist)
@DevionB Also notice, you bring in Scientifically unprovable "higher dimensions" ( ever been to one? Oh, simple math "proves" it). One of the basic points of real Science is you can never prove anything conclusively. Oh, I know, in math you can. Figures don't lie, but liars (and Scientism) can figure.
And for your second point, you use the Black Hole as a refutation to Miracle?!? Making the statement "It might be anything (?!??) we just don't know what.
Wow!!! Pure logical Science! Stunning!
@DevionB You are simply giving different aspects of "Something" ( singularities, dimensions, black holes). My point is that either "Everything" has always existed in one form or another (or other dimension) or "Everything" appeared in a moment from Absolutely Nothing. So we are dealing with The Uncreated and Eternal or we are dealing with an Absolute Miracle.
I am carefully choosing the word "Miracle. Its to drive the "Scientismologists" crazy. It works. Notice your point of attack.
@DevionB With an equal amount of respect, you are missing some simple explanations. Your example of something coming from "nothing" if it comes from a higher dimension is Not Science. That is Scientism. Exactly what I have been attacking.
You are using a modern mythology (higher dimensions "proved" by "simple math") to "invalidate my point? Pray tell, how is this concept validated by The Scientific Method?
The definition of Nothing that I am using is: Absolutely Nothing.
@KH45430 With all respect, but you're overstepping some simple explanations (not saying they are true, just saying there *are* alternatives). Example: something does can come from nothing in 3D space if it comes from a higher dimension (look up "Flatland"). Not a "Miracle", just simple math.
A singularity, it being a black hole or the first moment of the big bang, is just where our (current) understanding of physics stops. It might be anything, we just don't know what. Not a miracle though...
@DevionB
I'm maintaining that either all matter/energy has existed forever and is therefore Uncreated and Eternal and that concept is then the basis for all Reality. Or that Everything came from Absolutely Nothing. An impossibility that would have to be viewed as a Miracle by any sane person. And that would be the basis for all Reality.
But the theoretical singularity (as you know, a scientific impossibility, another miracle?) would be "Something". The definition of Nothing is "Nothing".
@DevionB That's the point. People are abusing True Science and making pronouncements that are not Scientific as though those statements are Settled Science. Anybody who studies True Science for even a little can know that every time a new discovery is made, the amount of The Unknown increases many fold. True Science will overwhelm you with what isn't known.
No one understands the strange world of the sub-atomic and no one understands Dark Energy and Matter.
The singularity is "Something".
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